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As I have already said in this thread, someone has been trying for a long time and very persistently to merge the concepts of Russian and Slavic into one.
It is amusing to watch. And, of course, it is a pointless endeavor.
Pointless for people who are themselves Slavs and therefore know very well who THEY are.
And once again, as always, I turn to the FACTS.
Rus is the international abbreviation RUS.
So, everyone who says that Slavs = Russians refers to the "Tale of Igor's Campaign" — The Tale of Igor's Campaign — Wikipedia
However, it is already known to all reasonably educated people that this work is half Turkic.
Moreover, there are works—Persian histories—that are older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign," dating specifically to the ninth century. This is a recorded FACT, just like the "Tale of Igor's Campaign."
And these Persian histories say that there was a prince named Rus.
It says there:
Let us continue reading this historical document:
These ancient Persian histories say that the “motherland” of the Rus was Pannonia — Wikipedia
I repeat once again that there are many sorts of tales and stories about Slavs and Russians—but what I am talking about now consists of ancient historical documents and facts. They are even older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign," which is undoubtedly also a historical fact.
And as stated in this historical Persian document, Prince Rus was the ancestor of the Rus.
And the Slav was a separate character.
Not the same thing as Rus.
Moreover, these Persian documents say that the Rus and Khazars acted together as one people.
Constantly carrying out military raids.
Furthermore, the Rus constantly attacked the Slavs!
That is, it is not merely that Russians = Slavs; they were actually on the negative side of the equation. In other words, enemies.
Let us read:
I repeat once again: these are historical documents from the 900s AD. They are older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign."
An excerpt from a letter by the Khazar King Joseph around 960 reflects the situation immediately before the khaganate's defeat by Sviatoslav:
Personally, I was surprised that when wealthy Rus men died, their wives were killed with them and burned together with their husbands.
This is also mentioned in these documents.
But when a wife died, her husband was not killed or burned with her
There you have it. The Rus loved their wives so much that it lasted right up to death...
By the way, I dug around here for information about archaeological excavations. It turns out that there are excavations confirming this.
Even if a wife was absent, servant girls were killed and burned on the Rus man's funeral pyre.
Arab authors also wrote that the Rus lived exclusively by plunder and did not cultivate the land. From the mid-eighth century, Scandinavian Rus formed a ruling military and trading elite in settlements on the banks of the Volga, Dnieper, and Don, while most of the population there consisted of local peoples—Slavs or Finns.
In essence, the Rus seized the Slavs, attacking their territories.
Do not forget another ancient document: Russo-Byzantine Treaty (911) — Wikipedia
Which essentially says that the Rus seized a certain territory and called it Kievan Rus.
It is quite possible that Slavs and other peoples lived there before that.
But there are no historical documents about it.
It is amusing to watch. And, of course, it is a pointless endeavor.
Pointless for people who are themselves Slavs and therefore know very well who THEY are.
And once again, as always, I turn to the FACTS.
Rus is the international abbreviation RUS.
So, everyone who says that Slavs = Russians refers to the "Tale of Igor's Campaign" — The Tale of Igor's Campaign — Wikipedia
However, it is already known to all reasonably educated people that this work is half Turkic.
Moreover, there are works—Persian histories—that are older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign," dating specifically to the ninth century. This is a recorded FACT, just like the "Tale of Igor's Campaign."
And these Persian histories say that there was a prince named Rus.
It says there:
Rus and Khazar were born of the same mother and father. Then Rus grew up and, having no place that suited him, wrote a letter to Khazar and asked him for part of his country so that he could settle there. Rus searched and found a place for himself. An island, neither large nor small, with marshy soil and foul air; there he settled.
The place was wooded and difficult to reach, and no human being had ever reached it.
Let us continue reading this historical document:
…And a Slav came to Rus to settle there. Rus replied that the place was too small for the two of them. Kimari and Khazar gave the same reply. A quarrel and battle began between them, and the Slav fled and reached the place where the land of the Slavs is today. Then he said: “I will settle here and easily take revenge on them.” The Slavs make dwellings underground so that the cold above cannot reach them. And he [Славянин] ordered that much firewood, stone, and coal be brought, and these stones were thrown into the fire and water was poured over them until steam arose and it became warm underground. And they do the same in winter even now. And that land is fertile. And they engage extensively in trade…
These ancient Persian histories say that the “motherland” of the Rus was Pannonia — Wikipedia
I repeat once again that there are many sorts of tales and stories about Slavs and Russians—but what I am talking about now consists of ancient historical documents and facts. They are even older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign," which is undoubtedly also a historical fact.
And as stated in this historical Persian document, Prince Rus was the ancestor of the Rus.
And the Slav was a separate character.
Not the same thing as Rus.
Moreover, these Persian documents say that the Rus and Khazars acted together as one people.
Constantly carrying out military raids.
Furthermore, the Rus constantly attacked the Slavs!
That is, it is not merely that Russians = Slavs; they were actually on the negative side of the equation. In other words, enemies.
Let us read:
“As for Rus, it lies on an island surrounded by a lake. This island, on which they live, takes three days to cross; it is covered with forests and marshes, and is so unhealthy and wet that when one sets foot on the ground, it shakes because of the abundance of water in it.
They have a king called the Khagan of Rus. They raid the Slavs, approach them by ship, land, take them captive, carry them to Khazaran and Bulgar, and sell them there. They have no arable land and live only on what they bring from the land of the Slavs.
When one of them has a son, he takes a naked sword, lays it before the newborn, and says: ‘I shall leave you no property as an inheritance; you will have only what you acquire with this sword.’ They have neither settled homes nor cities nor arable land; their sole occupation is trading in sable, squirrel, and other furs, which they sell to those who want them. The money they receive as payment they tie tightly into their belts…
They have sorcerers, some of whom command the king as though they were their leaders [русов]. Sometimes they order sacrifices to their deity—whatever occurs to them: women, men, and horses. When the sorcerers give an order, it cannot possibly be disobeyed. After taking a person or animal, the sorcerer throws a noose around its neck, hangs the victim from a beam, and waits until it suffocates, saying that this is a sacrifice to the god…
They are brave and audacious. When they attack another people, they do not stop until they have destroyed them all. They take the women of the defeated for themselves and enslave the men. They are tall, good-looking, and courageous in attacks; but they do not display this courage on horseback, carrying out all their raids and campaigns by ship.”
I repeat once again: these are historical documents from the 900s AD. They are older than the "Tale of Igor's Campaign."
“There are three groups of Rus. The group nearest to Bulgar, whose king is in the city called Kuyaba, and it is larger than Bulgar. The highest (principal) group among them is called as-Slaviyya, and its king is in the city of Salau. The third group is called al-Arsaniyya, and its king resides in Arsa, their city. […] The Rus come to trade in Khazar and Rum. Great Bulgar borders the Rus to the north. They (the Rus) are numerous and have long been raiding those parts of Rum that border them, imposing tribute on them. […] Some of the Rus shave their beards, while others twist them like a horse's mane [заплетают в косички] and dye them yellow (or black).”
An excerpt from a letter by the Khazar King Joseph around 960 reflects the situation immediately before the khaganate's defeat by Sviatoslav:
“I guard the mouth of the river [Волги] and prevent the Rus who come by ship from reaching the sea to march against the Ishmaelites, and [точно так же] all the enemies [их] on land from coming to the ‘Gates’ [Дербенту]. I wage [русами] war against them. If I were to leave them [в покое] alone for one hour, they would destroy the entire land of the Ishmaelites as far as Baghdad.”
Personally, I was surprised that when wealthy Rus men died, their wives were killed with them and burned together with their husbands.
This is also mentioned in these documents.
But when a wife died, her husband was not killed or burned with her
There you have it. The Rus loved their wives so much that it lasted right up to death...
By the way, I dug around here for information about archaeological excavations. It turns out that there are excavations confirming this.
Even if a wife was absent, servant girls were killed and burned on the Rus man's funeral pyre.
Arab authors also wrote that the Rus lived exclusively by plunder and did not cultivate the land. From the mid-eighth century, Scandinavian Rus formed a ruling military and trading elite in settlements on the banks of the Volga, Dnieper, and Don, while most of the population there consisted of local peoples—Slavs or Finns.
In essence, the Rus seized the Slavs, attacking their territories.
Do not forget another ancient document: Russo-Byzantine Treaty (911) — Wikipedia
Which essentially says that the Rus seized a certain territory and called it Kievan Rus.
It is quite possible that Slavs and other peoples lived there before that.
But there are no historical documents about it.
