Autonomy

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 27, 2020

Can sleep be considered fasting?

No.
Let’s figure this out. During sleep, everything in the body seems to stop. It becomes still. Not completely, of course.
So I can roughly say that 6 hours of sleep are equivalent to 3 hours without eating.

But most people who fast actually sleep in order to make the fasting period pass more quickly. Meanwhile, they think, “Well, I’ve already fasted for a day, two days, three.”
Try waking up at 4 a.m. and at 9 a.m., and then continue fasting for the rest of the day. You’ll see that it will be harder at 4.

Now let’s calculate whether an ordinary person ever experiences even a little time without eating.
An ordinary city dweller goes to bed around midnight and wakes up around 6 to go to work.
That means (based on what I said above) that there was actually a 3-hour break from eating. They have breakfast. Then, three hours later, another snack, then lunch, a snack, another snack, dinner, another snack...
Do you understand that an ordinary person never enters a state of autonomy at all? They have no idea what it even is.

Now let’s consider someone who is not ordinary.
Suppose they wake up at 4 a.m. (and go to bed at 11 p.m.) and do not eat until lunch (2 p.m.). They have their last dinner around 6 p.m.

What do we have?
20 hours of pure autonomy, plus the time without eating during sleep—approximately 2 hours (if we divide the total sleep time by 2). In total, 22 hours of autonomy every day. This is, of course, an approximate figure. Let it be just 20 hours every day. This is already a path toward serious cleansing of the body.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 31, 2020

Miracles, and nothing less.

Device No. 1:

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Device No. 2:

It's one of those "spot 10 differences" things.

If anyone doesn't understand what this is about, you can carefully review the entire thread.

But overall, it can be said that the main thing to understand about being autonomous, living on prana, and not eating is:

Don't interfere with your body being perfect.

Our body is perfect from birth; at the very least, it would be absolutely perfect if our parents and several generations before them had not also interfered with their bodies remaining perfect. Then it would be easier for us to awaken and not torment our bodies with things they do not need and never have needed.

Веретенников Сергей · Nov 2, 2020

The biggest enemy:

That’s how it should be.

Why should it be that way? Why is it necessary? Who needs it?

It’s necessary, that’s all...

Eating—that’s how it should be. Drinking—that’s how it should be. Sleeping, breathing deeply, being more serious, becoming like everyone else, measuring yourself against ideals...

That’s how it should be!

The whole world consists of people who believe this. Without even trying to question it. Grandma kept saying that’s how it should be, Father said that’s how it should be, and you repeat it too... And you do the same yourself.

Humanity still has not answered the question “Who am I?”. But it already ~~knows for sure~~ what this “I” needs.

Веретенников Сергей · Nov 3, 2020

I already said above that the consciousness of most people on Earth is roughly this: “What can I eat to heal myself?”.
What can I pour into myself to get better?
Social networks are overflowing with all kinds of recipes for what you need to put inside yourself in order to be healed.

Perhaps only 1% of people ever have the thought that maybe they should stop pouring something into themselves?

When I was about 25, I saw a person who said, “If I eat, I feel bad; if I don’t eat, I feel bad too.” That’s how people live. Between bad and bad.

At the Shantaram Ashram, I gave an interesting puzzle. If you’re interested, it can be found HERE, in the brain development section.
The point is that at first you cannot solve it because you are solving it within a closed system. But you need to step outside it! Beyond its boundaries. And then people exclaim—why, it’s an easy problem. But while you remain within your own framework as you try to solve it, you cannot solve it, and many people even give up, saying it has no solution. Some even say that it is a flawed puzzle because, from the outset, it cannot have a solution.
But it is easy. It can be solved in a couple of minutes. But your brain and consciousness, confined by these limits, do not allow you to solve it...

196228 · Nov 4, 2020

This topic is very inspiring; everything feels natural and familiar, and I have no contradictions with the understanding of autonomy.
Cleansing practices cleanse the body and consciousness, and my tastes have changed dramatically. I gave up garlic a long time ago—I simply no longer want it, although I used to like it. Not long ago, I made a vegetable stew and, as usual, added onion. Everything tasted good, but the smell was so strong that it lingered in the house even the next day. I did not like that, so I have now excluded onions from my diet, and the dishes turn out much more delicate.
I am gradually switching to eating just once a day in the evening, but not abruptly or all at once. For now, in the morning I have ghee, tea with honey, and from 11–12 a.m. freshly squeezed vegetable juice and a few nuts; dinner is at 5–6 p.m.
For the second year, my body has naturally been switching to seasonal eating: in summer, greens, salads, and berries; I do not feel like eating cooked food, only when the cold weather arrives do I want hot, cooked food.
I also had difficulty understanding my sleep. I go to bed, begin a breathing practice, and do not feel sleepy, so I practice for about three hours, get up and write poetry, and all sorts of ideas come to me. Sometimes I get up and meditate while sitting. The night passes, and in the morning I do Sadhana as usual. The following day is like any ordinary day, except that my movements become slower, smoother, and more careful, but not sluggish.
I especially noticed this after actively communicating with people during the day or evening: I do not feel sleepy at all, and I do not sleep.

Веретенников Сергей · Nov 5, 2020

In life, we have all had scrapes, cuts, bruises, calluses...
And what does the body do?
Take a callus, for example: the cells divide, and gradually new skin cells replace the problematic ones (the callus).
Notice that I did not say they replace old cells. I said problematic ones.

I’ll now explain why this is important.

The whole world lives in an information field that believes cells are obliged to divide. Moreover, you have already read my article at the School about telomeres — Those That Stopped Time
And learned everything about telomeres. So I no longer need to repeat myself on this subject, since you already know it.
Although I will continue discussing it in the future.

So, when cells divide, telomeres change with each division—not for the better, but specifically in the direction of aging.

Why did I initially mention calluses and scrapes? Because the process of cell division is triggered in an unfavorable environment, when some problem in the body needs to be resolved, for example, or in a survival situation...
You studied all this somewhere around sixth-grade biology.
BUT our body should already be a formed, closed system with no problems, where cells do not need to survive. Therefore, they should calm down and divide VERY rarely.
And it is only the process of endless digestion—the movement of food and its components through the body—that triggers cell division, and at an incredibly accelerated rate. Just as when an unfavorable condition arises in the form of a callus, cut, and so on.

I don’t know whether I have explained this well enough. The subject is scientific in nature.

You simply need to understand that putting food into the body creates the same kind of traumatic situation as a cut or a callus. And the body launches a global, accelerated mechanism of cell division. But with a callus or scrape, this happens locally, whereas with eating, it happens throughout the body.

I am sure that for many people this information is still revolutionary. Some are deeply influenced by modern medicine and its philosophy, so accepting it is difficult; but without accepting this possibility, it is impossible to test it and therefore learn the truth. Yet people are gradually waking up.

Удалённый пользователь 19 · Nov 5, 2020

Веретенников Сергей said:
You just need to understand that putting food into the body inflicts the same kind of trauma as a cut or a callus.

Yes, in a sense, this is discouraging information. After all, it is believed that the foundation of the vast majority of life forms on Earth is nourishment—material, physical nourishment. That is how those who created life here designed it. Of course, we have long been familiar with the natural principles of fasting, for example in the animal world, as well as the magical or mystical cases of extraordinary people. Perhaps the time has come to spread the principle of not eating throughout civilization??
In any case, I repeatedly convince myself personally that any food, whatever it may be and however small the amount, always becomes unnecessary for the body, and lightness and comfort come when it disappears.

(I’ve lost 2 kg; the amount of food seems to be decreasing all by itself—I simply need to listen to myself. A slight feeling of hunger appears only occasionally, and the influence of “tastiness” is clearly weakening. I’m reminded of the joke about the donkey that was given less hay every day and eventually died, while its owner said, “If only it had held on for one more day, it could have managed without hay altogether.” Funny!!)

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Yes, you are right; the information about cell division is quite revolutionary.

Веретенников Сергей · Nov 9, 2020

Confirmed data from historical records:

People who find themselves, due to an accident (for example, in a boat in the ocean after a shipwreck, or in the mountains after a plane crash, etc.), without food begin to panic as early as the 3rd–5th day. After approximately 10 days, they divide into groups in which they decide whom they will eat. I am not mistaken.
They eat the weakest one, the one who is "unnecessary to the team."
There have been many such cases. They themselves recount them, although the experience haunts them for the rest of their lives. They are not prosecuted for this killing (cannibalism), because of the "special circumstances."
Naturally, these are horrifying things.
But they are facts.
What am I trying to say by this?
That everything depends on consciousness.
Now let us look at a person who consciously undertakes, for example, a 40-day fast or even a 100-day fast. There are many such cases. Therapeutic fasting is something a person consciously chooses and wants to undertake.

What an enormous difference!
In the first case—fear, panic, cannibalism.
In the second—a peaceful, calm situation leading to the cleansing of the body and recovery from serious illnesses (a scientific fact, by the way).

But we can go even further. If there is such an enormous difference in the state of consciousness between cannibalism in an emergency situation driven by fear and therapeutic fasting, then imagine how enormous the difference will be between therapeutic fasting and autonomy.
Simply the next step, likewise requiring a different consciousness.

Удалённый пользователь 19 · Nov 9, 2020

Веретенников Сергей said:
Now let us look at a person who consciously undertakes, for example, a 40-day fast or even a 100-day fast. There are many such cases. Therapeutic fasting is something a person consciously chooses and wants to undertake.

How many times I have been convinced that if you undertake some trials consciously, of your own free will, you endure them with honor. That is why the poor donkey in the joke died: reducing its food was not its personal choice.
Apparently, this conscious approach, this state of mind, helped partisans endure torture, for example. When I ended up in intensive care, I told myself very consciously: I fully and calmly accept all the procedures, with complete trust in all the doctors and medical staff. And it helped 100%. Everything went easily, and was even fun in places.
I remember how, at the very beginning, by mentally preparing myself for a dry fast on Ekadashi, I was able to endure it without difficulty. And now the program of reducing food seems to have already been embedded in my consciousness—or subconscious—and works independently.
Yes, consciousness—what a powerful word!

Веретенников Сергей · Dec 29, 2020

Practically everyone who practices the Buteyko Method notes that they “do not feel their breathing” when relaxed. At first, this even frightens some people, and they deliberately force themselves to breathe (because they think it could lead to something dangerous). But this is only at the beginning; later, you get used to it.
Moreover, this imperceptible breathing affects your well-being only positively.
I should note that this kind of breathing usually develops after about six months to a year of practicing Buteyko.
Some people note that they stop breathing involuntarily altogether for a while (about half an hour). In other words, this is not some subjective sensation, but an actual cessation of breathing—or such a significant reduction that one can say there is no breathing at all.
This is exactly what yogis demonstrate in samadhi, when doctors scientifically confirm the absence of breathing for a long time.
You simply periodically catch yourself sitting there and not breathing. Sometimes you may find yourself in a place where you can hear other people breathing—people who think they are breathing normally. When practicing the Method, you hear that these people are not merely failing to breathe normally; they are breathing like steam locomotives. Yet they feel that they are breathing calmly.
But this ability develops only through the Method.

Веретенников Сергей · Dec 30, 2020

288288 · Jan 10, 2021

After reading the messages in this thread, I had an interesting association. Mountaineers—specifically high-altitude climbers who ascend above 7,000 meters—can confidently be called people who follow the basic principles of autonomy. I really like this sport; I was once involved in it myself, and now I often spend my free time reading books, articles, and accounts of various ascents. I have read quite a few of them, and here is what they all have in common, literally in 100% of cases.
Freedom from food. At high altitudes, people lose their appetite. Everyone who goes into the high mountains says that the body literally stops accepting and digesting any food. Many also say that they do not particularly want to eat. This is despite the extreme exertion. A person in the mountains expends an average of 8,000–9,000 kilocalories per day, yet may go without eating and continue climbing normally for 5–10 days. Perhaps even longer, but then the mental programs telling them to eat and support the body kick in.
Freedom from water. At high altitudes, there is no water in its pure form. All water is found as snow and ice, and melting it requires too much energy—fuel if using a stove, or internal energy if you put a lump of snow or ice in your mouth. Therefore, people drink little water at high altitudes. There is another paradox: drinking too much can cause cerebral edema or pulmonary edema.
Freedom from air. At high altitudes, the air is very thin and breathing is difficult, but many mountaineers who practice pranayama and breath retention acknowledge that they experience practically no discomfort. Life simply changes somewhat: you need to walk or climb more slowly, avoid excessive exertion, and move smoothly, steadily, and consciously in general.
Freedom from sleep. At high altitudes, it is practically impossible to fall into a deep sleep, especially according to those who climb peaks above 8,000 meters. All these mountaineers claim that it is impossible to sleep at high altitudes; sleep does not come at all. People simply lie in their sleeping bags and tents waiting for morning, occasionally slipping briefly into a half-conscious state.
It is strange that, precisely because of all these four factors, altitudes above 8,000 meters are called the “death zone”: an ordinary person cannot survive in these conditions for more than a few days. Trained mountaineers, who spend years honing these skills on various climbs and expeditions, can live in such conditions for up to several months. As for yogis, they are said to be able to live in the mountains for years; for them, this is probably the “zone of life”.

Веретенников Сергей · Jan 16, 2021

Ayurveda books say:

Those who eat once a day are Yogis (saints, mystics).

Those who eat twice a day are Bhogis (laypeople).

Those who eat three times are Rogis (sick people).

1313 · Jan 16, 2021

Thank you, OM Shanti! A truly wonderful topic. It is a divine state of mind when you merge into the space of like-minded people! My parents lived through the war. They had many fears about dying of hunger. All of this was passed on to me. If you don't eat, you won't have strength or good health. Then excess weight appeared, which you begin to struggle with. And everything falls into place when you begin to live consciously. In 2015, I stopped eating meat. A year later, I also gave up fish, eggs, garlic, and onions. The Your Yoga website was a tremendous help to me. I am very grateful to the Teacher for sharing his light with us! Gradually, I switched to eating twice a day, at noon and at 6 p.m. Florida is wonderful for its fruits, berries, vegetables, and nuts available all year round. Our garden around the house is still young—we planted it ourselves. This year, we had plenty of limes, bananas, and grapefruits. I share the bananas with the squirrels. They love eating them. My body returned to a normal weight, and it stretches wonderfully during physical exercise. What used to be difficult is easy now—for example, the splits. Now I want to switch to eating once a day. And so it shall be. Thank God for His support!

1313 · Jan 26, 2021

It has been ten days since I switched to eating once a day. I feel wonderful. The dry Ekadashi went very well. My sleep has become deeper, and I get enough rest; I get up at five in the morning. I have more free time. The Instant Evolution program helps me a lot. It contains the right mindset for me. I also do daily meditations; the relaxation in them really sets me up for a positive day. I practice the Peace meditations as well. I also practice the Cleansing from Negativity course. I have more energy now; instead of eating, I go for an evening walk before bed. I have lost three kilograms and have more confidence that I am on the right path. As for physical exercise, every other day I run three or four miles through the forest, breathe, live, and continue to devote myself fully to the Almighty, just as before! Thank you, Teacher, for the help and support I receive at the School!

1605 · Feb 18, 2021

Several years ago, I stopped eating meat. I ate only chicken and fish. Now, when I try to eat meat, my body rejects both meat and chicken. I don't remember why, but for a long time I ate very little. And it wasn't difficult for me. Now I don't have much desire to eat. I eat because I have to. I think I could easily limit myself to a small amount of food. I currently feel lightness in my body. When I overeat, I feel that something is getting in the way. The next day, I don't eat until evening. I wake up easily at around five in the morning. In general, I believe that food brings not benefit but harm. Yet I am afraid to stop eating. My granddaughter eats neither meat nor fish. In fact, she hardly eats anything at all. She is four years old. But children are supposed to eat so that their bodies can grow. Or am I wrong?

1313 · Feb 21, 2021

O Lord, I bow at Your feet and thank You! The Your Yoga website is unique, as is OM Shanti itself. My deepest gratitude for creating such an enlightened portal! I watch the videos in the Autonomy section and bow before these remarkable, determined people. Somehow, I naturally feel like developing myself and moving toward the light. It has been more than a month since I switched to eating just one meal a day. I love the sun very much. I came to Earth with the sun’s energy. My body is brown from tanning. I noticed that my pigmentation spots have disappeared. My nails have become clean and soft. The soles of my feet have cleared up, and my heels have become like a baby’s. I practice running on my heels. Energy rises through my legs, enters the muladhara chakra, and rises along my spine to the sahasrara chakra, and I am in the flow—a wonderful, light state. Having a straight back feels very pleasant. Eating once a day, without any snacks, has proved very beneficial for me. Thank you for supporting the school’s students. I need to keep moving forward and eat every other day.

1313 · Apr 1, 2021

Only those who are ready to change, who dare to face danger, who endure trials and emerge victorious become radiant. I am in a bright, pure place. I have realized that it is possible to reach heaven. I continue to eat once a day. I have more time for self-development. My body has returned to its former state: at a height of 162 cm, I weigh 55 kg. I like receiving compliments. You run along the track, and young girls coming toward you shout, “Well done, girl, you look gorgeous!” while giving a thumbs-up with their right hands. And you thank them in response! My self-esteem has grown. If I used to stupidly lower my eyes when praised, not knowing how to behave, now I want to smile and say something pleasant in return. Some invisible force is guiding me. First, I cleanse myself of negativity. Then there are daily meditations—a personal psychologist. Relaxation during meditation led me to the correct asana, shavasana. The school has many useful games for the brain. Now they have led me to OTG. If you want to learn about yourself and develop, all the conditions have been created. Thank You, O Lord! You show me the way, love me, and guide me! Thank You, dear Teacher! All the best and a long life!

Веретенников Сергей · Jul 20, 2021

It is summer now, with plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables.
You do not have to be a fruitarian, raw-foodist, vegetarian, autonomous person, vegan, etc. to eat fresh fruit.

Eat enough of it. It will prolong your youth and your life.
And drink more clean water.

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